Idk man some people myself included like discussing and/or arguing something. A lot of people argue impolitely or misrepresent points, but a huge portion of lemmy users have autism or other neurodivergence, so sometimes they’re not good at picking up nuance or what the other person actually meant. Also, most people in general are tribal so I think what you’re asking for might be impossible on an unrestricted platform.
I have had tons of actually good discussions on lemmy, I can link you some if you want, but it sounds like you’re seeing people say “trump just broke 5 court orders and fired all the judges who disagreed with him, then illegaly sent the national guard to Oregon. This is fascism” and saying “you can’t call everyone you don’t like a fascist!!” Those at least fascist-leaning actions. Do I think it’s actual fascism? No. But all of those actions are the dictionary definition of fascism, so if someone calls someone taking many fascist actions in succession a fascist… idk maybe hyperbole but not that extreme. It’s like calling Bernie sanders a socialist. It’s like well not really but I know what you mean.
I don’t think we can just wipe that turd off onto people with disorders. Most people have it in them to act like animals if they get the right encouragement.
There is also a difference between observing real fascism and talking about that, and then calling everything you don’t like or want to silence, fascist. There’s a very big difference and people should be more careful with words like that and only use them when it is applicable and not use it as a catch all slur. Then it loses its meaning.
People on Lemmy use fascism for everything they don’t like. The irony is that some of their own behaviors on this platform has some of the same characteristics as fascism does. Not a one to one, but there certainly isn’t much space for differing opinions and there seem to be a wish for a world where only one set of values is permitted and it should be implemented through violence. That is how a lot of people think on here and I find it amusing that they point the finger at everybody else and any attempt at nuance is met with accusations of fence-sitting. People are very very special on this platform, as they are on every other social media platform.
But let’s not blame people with disorders for a behavior that is a universal trait of human stupidity.
I’m not really sure, maybe it’s just the extent or the amount of incompetence that makes it different to me. It’s sort of like fascism-lite, because even if trump WANTS all trans people taken away / treated as undesirables and has caused a lot more people to hate them, he hasn’t been able to enact “if you are trans you will be killed” like I would expect under fascism. I also don’t feel like even the crazy maga people want the democratic party to not exist, they just want democrats to “stop being stupid.”
I was listening to an expert on cults talk about trump and MAGA, and he said trump plays to the crowd rather than saying what he believes. For instance when he said "I hope you’re all vaccinated " in Missouri i believe, the crowd booed him and he quickly changed to “you should have the freedom to choose.” I think narcissistic con man fits everything he does more accurately than fascist, but still that’s why when someone calls him a fascist I don’t really complain.
he hasn’t been able to enact “if you are trans you will be killed” like I would expect under fascism
Im sorry but what???
Do you think the Nazis were killing jews on day one? Fascism doesn’t only become fascism once they’ve done the big bad thing and the credits are rolling. It w was still fascism way before the gas chambers were spooled up.
By all accounts, the progress of their team this term has been faster than hitlers rise to power. There isn’t really any reason to just assume it will stop itself when hes been able to bounce off any sort of semblance of consequences for his actions thus far.
and he said trump plays to the crowd rather than saying what he believes
Thats most politicians to some degree and something hitler also did, like where he co-opted various labels to dismantle them.
I think narcissistic con man fits everything he does more accurately than fascist
I’m not sure I see the reasoning to think it can’t be both.
Idk man some people myself included like discussing and/or arguing something. A lot of people argue impolitely or misrepresent points, but a huge portion of lemmy users have autism or other neurodivergence, so sometimes they’re not good at picking up nuance or what the other person actually meant. Also, most people in general are tribal so I think what you’re asking for might be impossible on an unrestricted platform.
I have had tons of actually good discussions on lemmy, I can link you some if you want, but it sounds like you’re seeing people say “trump just broke 5 court orders and fired all the judges who disagreed with him, then illegaly sent the national guard to Oregon. This is fascism” and saying “you can’t call everyone you don’t like a fascist!!” Those at least fascist-leaning actions. Do I think it’s actual fascism? No. But all of those actions are the dictionary definition of fascism, so if someone calls someone taking many fascist actions in succession a fascist… idk maybe hyperbole but not that extreme. It’s like calling Bernie sanders a socialist. It’s like well not really but I know what you mean.
I don’t think we can just wipe that turd off onto people with disorders. Most people have it in them to act like animals if they get the right encouragement.
There is also a difference between observing real fascism and talking about that, and then calling everything you don’t like or want to silence, fascist. There’s a very big difference and people should be more careful with words like that and only use them when it is applicable and not use it as a catch all slur. Then it loses its meaning. People on Lemmy use fascism for everything they don’t like. The irony is that some of their own behaviors on this platform has some of the same characteristics as fascism does. Not a one to one, but there certainly isn’t much space for differing opinions and there seem to be a wish for a world where only one set of values is permitted and it should be implemented through violence. That is how a lot of people think on here and I find it amusing that they point the finger at everybody else and any attempt at nuance is met with accusations of fence-sitting. People are very very special on this platform, as they are on every other social media platform.
But let’s not blame people with disorders for a behavior that is a universal trait of human stupidity.
Do you not notice any dissonance here?
I’m not really sure, maybe it’s just the extent or the amount of incompetence that makes it different to me. It’s sort of like fascism-lite, because even if trump WANTS all trans people taken away / treated as undesirables and has caused a lot more people to hate them, he hasn’t been able to enact “if you are trans you will be killed” like I would expect under fascism. I also don’t feel like even the crazy maga people want the democratic party to not exist, they just want democrats to “stop being stupid.”
I was listening to an expert on cults talk about trump and MAGA, and he said trump plays to the crowd rather than saying what he believes. For instance when he said "I hope you’re all vaccinated " in Missouri i believe, the crowd booed him and he quickly changed to “you should have the freedom to choose.” I think narcissistic con man fits everything he does more accurately than fascist, but still that’s why when someone calls him a fascist I don’t really complain.
Im sorry but what???
Do you think the Nazis were killing jews on day one? Fascism doesn’t only become fascism once they’ve done the big bad thing and the credits are rolling. It w was still fascism way before the gas chambers were spooled up.
By all accounts, the progress of their team this term has been faster than hitlers rise to power. There isn’t really any reason to just assume it will stop itself when hes been able to bounce off any sort of semblance of consequences for his actions thus far.
Thats most politicians to some degree and something hitler also did, like where he co-opted various labels to dismantle them.
I’m not sure I see the reasoning to think it can’t be both.