I don’t think we can just wipe that turd off onto people with disorders. Most people have it in them to act like animals if they get the right encouragement.
There is also a difference between observing real fascism and talking about that, and then calling everything you don’t like or want to silence, fascist. There’s a very big difference and people should be more careful with words like that and only use them when it is applicable and not use it as a catch all slur. Then it loses its meaning.
People on Lemmy use fascism for everything they don’t like. The irony is that some of their own behaviors on this platform has some of the same characteristics as fascism does. Not a one to one, but there certainly isn’t much space for differing opinions and there seem to be a wish for a world where only one set of values is permitted and it should be implemented through violence. That is how a lot of people think on here and I find it amusing that they point the finger at everybody else and any attempt at nuance is met with accusations of fence-sitting. People are very very special on this platform, as they are on every other social media platform.
But let’s not blame people with disorders for a behavior that is a universal trait of human stupidity.
Adhd and autism are only considered disorders in the dsm 5, which there are many papers written about how it’s a failure
There’s a reason people call those neurodivergences and not something like schizophrenia.
Most people have it in them to act like animals if they get the right encouragement.
Sure? But most times I’ve seen someone being rude it’s because they totally missed what the other person is saying. Which is extremely common with autism which is extremely common on lemmy. It has nothing to do with being right or wrong or stupid or smart, that’s just how they interpreted the other persons words. Again not saying there ISN’T groupthink and tribalism, but 95% of the time I’ve said something politely and with evidence I have not been downvoted or removed.
A websites users downvoting and removing comments is not fascism because a website is not a government, and was not ordered to by the government. If the FCC threatens a broadcasting company because they don’t like what someone said, that IS a fascist action because it’s a government agency threatening a private company for saying something the government agency didn’t like. If the president breaks the law and ignores court orders, that IS a fascist action. Same with firing all judges that don’t agree with the president, same with denying to swear in certain elected officials, that is centralization of power. If someone does 8 by definition fascist things, and someone else does 0, if I call the first person a fascist I’m not calling everything I don’t like fascist, and the word has meaning because those WERE fascist actions. You can say it’s unfair because it’s only 8 fascist actions, but that doesn’t mean they’re calling everyone a fascist, just people who took 8 fascist actions in a row.
Also “I will not tolerate the intolerant” is not the same as “I will not tolerate trans/gay people existing, or people trying to say that’s wrong.” There is space for differing opinions as long as your opinion doesn’t infringe on other people existing. I can say something like I think we should spend more on schools than climate change, but I can’t say I think trans people are fake, or gay people are an abomination, or say climate change is a hoax. Would you prefer a society where an every day conversation is “should nagijala exist? It’s a horrible thing to be one of those people. Truly disgusting, it’s an affront to God.” And you hear that daily and fear for your life? Or allow vaccine misinformation so measles come back like it is in Florida. Personally I don’t want to live in that society. I have also never had my comment deleted and rarely get downvoted, while expressing a different opinion to the majority in almost every comment. I can show examples if you want.
I don’t think we can just wipe that turd off onto people with disorders. Most people have it in them to act like animals if they get the right encouragement.
There is also a difference between observing real fascism and talking about that, and then calling everything you don’t like or want to silence, fascist. There’s a very big difference and people should be more careful with words like that and only use them when it is applicable and not use it as a catch all slur. Then it loses its meaning. People on Lemmy use fascism for everything they don’t like. The irony is that some of their own behaviors on this platform has some of the same characteristics as fascism does. Not a one to one, but there certainly isn’t much space for differing opinions and there seem to be a wish for a world where only one set of values is permitted and it should be implemented through violence. That is how a lot of people think on here and I find it amusing that they point the finger at everybody else and any attempt at nuance is met with accusations of fence-sitting. People are very very special on this platform, as they are on every other social media platform.
But let’s not blame people with disorders for a behavior that is a universal trait of human stupidity.
Adhd and autism are only considered disorders in the dsm 5, which there are many papers written about how it’s a failure There’s a reason people call those neurodivergences and not something like schizophrenia.
Sure? But most times I’ve seen someone being rude it’s because they totally missed what the other person is saying. Which is extremely common with autism which is extremely common on lemmy. It has nothing to do with being right or wrong or stupid or smart, that’s just how they interpreted the other persons words. Again not saying there ISN’T groupthink and tribalism, but 95% of the time I’ve said something politely and with evidence I have not been downvoted or removed.
example: (I don’t comment on politics that often)
A websites users downvoting and removing comments is not fascism because a website is not a government, and was not ordered to by the government. If the FCC threatens a broadcasting company because they don’t like what someone said, that IS a fascist action because it’s a government agency threatening a private company for saying something the government agency didn’t like. If the president breaks the law and ignores court orders, that IS a fascist action. Same with firing all judges that don’t agree with the president, same with denying to swear in certain elected officials, that is centralization of power. If someone does 8 by definition fascist things, and someone else does 0, if I call the first person a fascist I’m not calling everything I don’t like fascist, and the word has meaning because those WERE fascist actions. You can say it’s unfair because it’s only 8 fascist actions, but that doesn’t mean they’re calling everyone a fascist, just people who took 8 fascist actions in a row.
Also “I will not tolerate the intolerant” is not the same as “I will not tolerate trans/gay people existing, or people trying to say that’s wrong.” There is space for differing opinions as long as your opinion doesn’t infringe on other people existing. I can say something like I think we should spend more on schools than climate change, but I can’t say I think trans people are fake, or gay people are an abomination, or say climate change is a hoax. Would you prefer a society where an every day conversation is “should nagijala exist? It’s a horrible thing to be one of those people. Truly disgusting, it’s an affront to God.” And you hear that daily and fear for your life? Or allow vaccine misinformation so measles come back like it is in Florida. Personally I don’t want to live in that society. I have also never had my comment deleted and rarely get downvoted, while expressing a different opinion to the majority in almost every comment. I can show examples if you want.