Interesting, I googled for reports of Arab emissaries going to Xinjiang and I found this from Time magazine, published in 2022:
Arab states are not only lending rhetorical support to China, they are also actively assisting Beijing in its global campaign of abuse and reprisals against Uighurs. At least six governments in the Arab world—Egypt, Morocco, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and the UAE—have detained or extradited Uighurs at China’s behest. According to our dataset at the Oxus Society for Central Asian Affairs, around 292 Uighurs have been detained or deported from Arab states at China’s behest since 2002.
Also you mention “multiple western* countries” as if western countries are automatically wrong. I don’t think that’s true. I think there are certainly biased media outlets in the West, but I think there are genuine and reliable media outlets too. I think the BBC is reliable. If someone proves their reporting to be plain wrong then I will re-evaluate them, but I haven’t yet seen that happen.
According to our dataset at the Oxus Society for Central Asian Affairs, around 292 Uighurs have been detained or deported from Arab states at China’s behest since 2002
So? There was a literal terrorist group in China doing terror attacks. Spain alone arrested more than 400 Arabs with connections to ISIS in antiterrorism campaign between 2013 and 2022.
Is it a conspiracy involving all Arab states to repress Uyghur for no reason? Or maybe the west, which chooses to align itself geopolitically against China, is doing a campaign to destroy the reputation of China in the eyes of westerners to justify hostilities as we see with sanctions?
I think it’s credible that China has been detaining Uyghurs en masse and I think it’s credible that many rapes have taken place. Maybe we will just have different views.
I think it’s credible that in Xinjiang there has been a harsh policy of compulsory education aimed at Islamist Radicals as a consequence of terrorist attacks linked to ISIS, which albeit hard, was successful.
I also think that, from a Chinese point of view, reeducation is a much less sensitive topic. Most Chinese students spend their teenage years in boarding schools, so to many Chinese people, spending a few years in an educational institution isn’t quite as radical. A lot of the training received in the reeducation centers was vocational training that modernized the labor force of Uyghurs in Xinjiang enabling them to get better jobs than they used to have, since the province is ongoing fast economic and industrial progress and quality of life is rising enormously.
I think isolated abuses of power by authorities should be condemned and minimized, but I also believe there is no serious independent data pointing to anything other than isolated cases, especially given how the few non-anonymous interviews are coming from western news outlets.
A lot of the training received in the reeducation centers was vocational training that modernized the labor force of Uyghurs in Xinjiang enabling them to get better jobs than they used to have
If the USA forcibly put Muslims into camps and tried to justify it by saying “we’re giving them vocational training to modernise the labour force and enable these Muslims to get better jobs”, would that be okay? Anyway we’re obviously not going to agree on this topic so maybe there is no point in pursuing it further.
From multiple western* countries. Emissaries from many Arab countries went to Xinjiang and declared that nothing wrong was happening.
https://www.aecf.org/resources/abused-by-the-state
Interesting, I googled for reports of Arab emissaries going to Xinjiang and I found this from Time magazine, published in 2022:
Also you mention “multiple western* countries” as if western countries are automatically wrong. I don’t think that’s true. I think there are certainly biased media outlets in the West, but I think there are genuine and reliable media outlets too. I think the BBC is reliable. If someone proves their reporting to be plain wrong then I will re-evaluate them, but I haven’t yet seen that happen.
So? There was a literal terrorist group in China doing terror attacks. Spain alone arrested more than 400 Arabs with connections to ISIS in antiterrorism campaign between 2013 and 2022.
Is it a conspiracy involving all Arab states to repress Uyghur for no reason? Or maybe the west, which chooses to align itself geopolitically against China, is doing a campaign to destroy the reputation of China in the eyes of westerners to justify hostilities as we see with sanctions?
I think it’s credible that China has been detaining Uyghurs en masse and I think it’s credible that many rapes have taken place. Maybe we will just have different views.
I think it’s credible that in Xinjiang there has been a harsh policy of compulsory education aimed at Islamist Radicals as a consequence of terrorist attacks linked to ISIS, which albeit hard, was successful.
I also think that, from a Chinese point of view, reeducation is a much less sensitive topic. Most Chinese students spend their teenage years in boarding schools, so to many Chinese people, spending a few years in an educational institution isn’t quite as radical. A lot of the training received in the reeducation centers was vocational training that modernized the labor force of Uyghurs in Xinjiang enabling them to get better jobs than they used to have, since the province is ongoing fast economic and industrial progress and quality of life is rising enormously.
I think isolated abuses of power by authorities should be condemned and minimized, but I also believe there is no serious independent data pointing to anything other than isolated cases, especially given how the few non-anonymous interviews are coming from western news outlets.
If the USA forcibly put Muslims into camps and tried to justify it by saying “we’re giving them vocational training to modernise the labour force and enable these Muslims to get better jobs”, would that be okay? Anyway we’re obviously not going to agree on this topic so maybe there is no point in pursuing it further.