Used to be vegan, back when i cared about the future of humanity and the earth a little more; the math is kind of undeniable, but there’s no use pinching pennies if you won’t step back from the craps table-maybe when we collectively do, i will again. I just did without fake shit. There’s plenty of cool plants and i know my chemistry 101. Wasn’t ever missing all that much, except very high end pastry, which is beyond my skill anyway.

By short supply chain i dont mean distance, i meant like steps. Labor (and other exploitation) hours. Like, for the chips in the device im typing this on, in addition to the chips I’m currently binge eating.

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No i think when you’ve got slaves dying in the field or suicide nets on the factories, when the child soldiers around the mine the raw minerals come from are kept drugged 24/7, and nobody in the town near the smelter makes it to fifty, it’s a valid point. We dont treat anyone like fellow persons under capitalism, and trying to act like being vegan is automagically better is simply absurd.

Their lives are not automatically worth more for being human; we agree thats anthropocentric and fucking damn near omnicidal. They aren’t worth less either; thats racist classist and myopic.

And id laugh at the version of this cartoon with a human child too, it just wouldn’t be as legible. Might be funnier.

Nuh uh. That was on purpose, you just don’t understand art.

There isn’t good vegan cheese and you know it. It’s like the one thing; fermentation is complicated. Cheeses are hard to fake when you’ve got animal proteins to work with.

The closest id get is, like, miso or something with a stickyfying agent, guar gum or something to cohere the bread. Dish would still need adjustment.

The ecological toll is real, but it’s hard to take concern for animals seriously in this context when you’ve seen what we do to the human workers who make our everything. Better to shorten the supply chain and have as few beings/exploitation hours involved as possible if that’s your worry.

You4e telling me you couldn’t go for a grilled cheese with pickles and nuts on a fancy rustic bread? A nice smoky tomato soup for dipping?

Not really. Too many give to the christofascists.

Not if you’re in any way queer. They don’t help us.

Yep!

But, hey, we must abolish the family anyway, so…