It’s a bit tiring to do the source work myself tbh, I’ll respond more later but again the first article you shared has nothing about schools. The UN report it’s based on like 3 links further has some information about schools, doesn’t seem to be boarding schools but I’ll look into it later:

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

The other article is again mostly US state propaganda that is just stuff like

More than one million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities, including ethnic Kazakhs and Uzbeks, have been detained since 2017, according to international researchers and U.S. government officials. (Some watchdog groups put more recent estimates closer to 1.8 million)

One million is quite the number, yet there never seems to be any concrete evidence supporting this. Satellite images don’t count, not since the “WMDs in Iraq”. I’m gonna bet “international researchers” is again just Zenz. The “watchdog group” links to an article by rfa, so it’s literally just the CIA. Like what the fuck is this, why are the only like a dozen Uyghur people protesting this and why is constantly pushed by the US state departement, CIA and the likes who have never once cared about foreigners ever??

The only thing about schools again is

Many families have also reported that their children were taken to boarding schools without their consent.

It links to this https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/china-xinjiangs-forced-separations-and-language-policies-uyghur-children which clearly states at the bottom

Special Procedures’ experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent from any government or organization and serve in their individual capacity.

and is a few paragraphs like

The experts received information about large-scale removal of children, mainly Uyghur,

What information?? Witness testimony? Pictures? What’s large-scale? Dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions?

Why is it so difficult to pin down actual verifiable evidence. Or witness testimonies. Any group oppressed historically had solidarity movements, jews during the holocaust, palestinians, native americans, where are the uyghur grassroots movements?

Can you at least understand why a skeptical reading of these allegations leaves a lot to be desired?

Still I’m not gonna blame the oppressed for their overboiling anger. The blame should be placed squarely at the feet of the slavers and the french for their betrayal of Toussaint which no doubt eroded any notion of trust. The slavers created this situation. A lot of undereducated people that experienced nothing but unjust violence for all their life repaying in kind is not on the same scale as, say the armenian genocide. Or the palestinian genocide. Or really any genocide, which is largely characterised by a settler society stealing the land and possessions of indigenous people.

I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don’t mind the dying. Like who do you think were the people upholding apartheid in south africa for example? Especially doctors, teachers and other such middle class people that benefitted from apartheid but without having to get their hands dirty were the ones handwringing about “civility”. They always have such a nice facade and talk politely but their livelihood built on the back of the labor of the oppressed is very very precious to them and they are for freedom in theory, but don’t want to give up any of their privileges.

Or as Assata Shakur put it

As far as I’m concerned, ‘liberal’ is the most meaningless word in the dictionary. History has shown me that as long as some white middle-class people can live high on the hog, take vacations to Europe, send their children to private schools, and reap the benefits of their white skin privilege, then they are ‘liberal’. But when times get hard and money gets tight, they pull off that liberal mask and you think you’re talking to Adolf Hitler. They feel sorry for the so-called underprivileged just as long as they can maintain their own privileges.”

That’s the same link twice, it doesn’t say anything about residential schools. There are two sources cited in the wikipedia article, one is Zenz from 2021 (of course) and the other a single financial times article from 2018 that cites no sources except US officials and some guy that left his home years ago to pursue a degree in Pissrael.

Compare that with what I see on xiaohongshu where Uighurs share their culture, language, traditions etc. and can you at least understand why this doesn’t really sound convincing to me?

A residential school system that has allegedly abducted thousands of children for over 7 years now and the best source wikipedia has to offer is a years old financial times article that isn’t even a real witness testimony?

UN woud be amazing, amnesty international usually cites sources, like anything like that would be amazing. Racism and authoritarianism are tools used by the oppressors, not the motivators. The lost generations in canada, pissrael and australia were to further a genocide of the native population in order to settle their land. A clear economic motivator. I don’t see a similar motive for china.

That doesn’t look like genocide to me because there was a credible threat to their freedom from the white people that benefited from slavery like the teachers, doctors, merchants etc. even if they personally didn’t own slaves there was a clear incentive for them to want to bring back slavery. Also notably white people that fought with them were spared, so it’s not just wantonly killing everyone who is white.

And even if excessive (which I’m not conceding btw) I’m not gonna blame slaves that had just won their freedom for being overly paranoid and suspicious of the society that enslaved them. This is not like other massacres that are directed at oppressed people to exploit them or steal their land, this is the other way around, the oppressed making sure that there is no trace left of the society that oppressed them.

oh yay, that’s the first time someone didn’t reply with ominous “human rights violations”. So they are forcing uighur children to attend boarding schools far away from their own cultures? How do you know this? And why go to all that trouble?

The way I understand it is, “Hitler had supporters because his methods (however unconscionable) reduced crime”. My problem with this statement is that it implies that he actually reduced crime. As in there was a tangible reduction in crime during Hitler’s reign that can be attributed to his Gestapo methods.

That certainly is a take on jean-jacques dessalines who led the haitian revolution aganist slavery after the french betrayal of toussaint louverture.

He literally claims that Hitler succesfully reduced crime though. As in “he had supporters because his programs had a crime reducing effect.”

What would you consider a beacon of prosperity then?

I’m still not clear on what exactly it is china is supposed to be doing, is it genocide? How are they doing it and for what purpose?

This guy seem credible to you? https://books.google.de/books/about/Worthy_to_Escape.html?id=lRtSQB3HHJcC&redir_esc=y

Hitler succesfully reduced crime - Zenz

https://archive.vn/AVs6t

Which part? The video that talks about Ukrainian politics that are easily independently corroborated or the military brigade with a Wolfsangel as it’s symbol being nazi? Which one is the disinformation?

Except you can’t go visit. And there is clear evidence.

Compare for instance homelessness in china and the west. Homeownership. Access to healthcare, higher education, public transportation etc. Why do you think it’s not a beacon of prosperity?

I got banned there for linking readsettlers.org and posting a video critical of Ukraine. Then for calling out the mod who banned me because he said “he vets everything before a ban” even though he clearly hadn’t in my case.

I got banned from feddit.org for calling out Genocidesmany’s role in the palestinian genocides

Just yesterday I caught a ban on lefty memes for calling the azov brigade nazis.