I know there was some schism and moving of instances, but beyond that I can’t deduce what happened/is happening.
I block most meme based communities because they overpower the rest of what I like, but I’ve been picking up bits of the events from context.
Does this center around the one individual using, shall we say, a very distinct set of pronouns that a lot of people took issue with?
I kind of enjoyed that person in a social commentary way, but I can see why people more directly effected by pronoun usage may have taken issue and blahaj changing their rules due to it, but if that is what is causing this big schism, that’s a pretty wild thing that all is this is the result. I’m interested in the opinions on both sides, but it’s one of these things I’m afraid to ask due to polarization like this. I have genuine curiosity but I can totally see how someone could trollishly go after the same info.
It’s a broader disagreement that’s been simmering for a while. The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.
The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.
Although…this is some sort of spat relating to pronouns, and as I recall, isn’t that guy’s thing referring to himself using the third person?
The spat is unrelated to pronouns or neopronouns, according to the 196 mods. It has to do with the Blahaj admins and the 196 mods disagreeing on moderation behavior for the community, and the 196 mods not wanting to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed by admins if there wasn’t a rule violation in how the 196 mods handled moderation.
Why are you being so vague about what the disagreement was?
As I understand it, it wasn’t a singular disagreement, but a number of incidents in which, as I said, the 196 mods didn’t want to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed if 196’s ruleset was in compliance with the requirements of the instance.
Ah. Well, that seems like a shitty excuse. They’re public servants, they chose this role, they should just be made to deal with that. If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users, they shouldn’t be mods and should just spend their free time playing video games instead. They remind me of cop characters on police procedural tv shows that are mad that liberal politicians won’t let them commit brutality against and trample all over the civil rights of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue for them. I think you’re lying through your teeth to cover for them.
If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users
That’s… not at all what I said.
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue. I think you’re lying to cover for them.
I’m lying to cover for the trans folk on the mod team saying that they will continue to respect neopronouns and enforce rules against misgendering on the .world comm.
Uh.
Okay.
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada
bannedactioned even though the 196 mods didn’t want youbannedactioned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid? Which is an instance rules violation and not the mods’ decision on whether to action?The story you’re telling seems very relevant to pronouns and gender if your personal history is included.
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada banned even though the 196 mods didn’t want you banned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid?
No, but nice try. Very typical of your brand of trolling.
You’re right, drag misremembered there being a ban. It was actually just post locks and comment removals by Ada when you said that queerphobic stuff the mods wouldn’t remove.
Thank you for the correction, drag is sorry for the mistake. Together, we’re getting to the truth.
The locked post isn’t even on Blahaj. The removed comment, that I was leaving because of disagreements with the admins but acknowledged their right to make such decisions, was hilariously petty in the vein of Ada removing posts (and handing out bans) for people saying things like “Dragons aren’t real”. Nor am I at any point defended by the 196 mods.
You know damn well it has nothing to do with pronouns. It’s about your abuse of them. You’re just making the “attack helicopter” argument, but in a way that’s subtle enough to be believable by those gullible enough to be taken advantage of.
You’ve been banned from several instances for trolling, and finally found one that buys into it- thus creating even more of that savory drama for yourself.
That’s not what they were saying when Ada said neopronouns aren’t trolling. This thing they’re saying now seems like a PR line to avoid getting the community outright taken by Ada.
At present, drag is banned from 196 for advocating violence against Nazis, but at the time, the ban was for “trolling” after making several posts in support of neopronouns.
Neopronouns aren’t trolling. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone saying otherwise. I believe YOU are though. There’s a wake of drama behind you miles long.
The really quick summary is that the mods of the 196 community on blahaj.zone wanted to move the community to lemmy.world, but did not announce it publicly to the users or seek their input, and so when the announcement came out, users of the instance felt blindsided by the announcement, and that lemmy.world was a fairly unpopular choice of instance. The resulting discussion from the thread largely did not dissuade skeptical users and contributed to the feelings that the mods were making a unilateral decision based on their desire and ignoring what the users of 196 wanted, and the decision to keep the original community on lemmy.blahaj.zone locked meant that users who did not want to post on lemmy.world were losing out their community.
This resulted in another 196 clone being created on blahaj, the original 196 becoming unlocked, and so now there are 3 196 communities. The newest one, !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone, has a particularly high posting rate right now, as users are attempting to assert that community’s support as opposed to the ones run by the mods of the original and the lemmy.world communities.
Back in December, the instance hosting 196 (lemmy.blahaj.zone) announced that, as part of its mission as a trans-friendly space, harassment based on gender or neopronouns would remain prohibited—even if the user in question was suspected of being a troll. Users were asked to disengage, block, and report suspected trolling behavior rather than bring harassment into a community already vulnerable to that kind of bullying.
There was a small backlash to the policy from some users. This led to a number of “toe the line” posts that weren’t outright gender-based harassment but strongly signaled an intent to misgender or harass in the future. Blahaj admins promptly removed all offending comments during this wave of dissent.
Important to note: The majority of the Blahaj and 196 users supported the policy, upvoting and praising the admins for creating a safe space for trans individuals.
By January, the backlash had mostly subsided, and the trolls causing issues had moved on. However, 196 moderator @moss and their team remained unhappy with the policy. They cited “personal differences” and felt Blahaj admins had overstepped by removing comments themselves rather than allowing 196 mods to address users who openly expressed intent to harass others.
Yesterday, @moss and the 196 moderation team enacted a major decision without consulting the community. They locked !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone and instructed users to move to !196@lemmy.world.
This move was extremely unpopular. Many users strongly dislike lemmy.world for various reasons (a complicated topic better unpacked elsewhere). The announcement post was met with widespread backlash, and @moss eventually locked it. In response, a few users created a new community on Blahaj: !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone. The new community quickly grew in size and activity, with most users opting to stay on Blahaj rather than migrate to lemmy.world.
It’s clear @moss and the 196 moderators underestimated the community’s attachment to its home on Blahaj. By attempting to uproot the group without input, they alienated much of the community. As a result, most users have moved to the new Blahaj-hosted community, which has already become the more active space.
TL;DR:
@Moss and the 196 mod team tried to move the community to lemmy.world without consulting anyone. The decision was extremely unpopular, leading to backlash and the creation of a new Blahaj-hosted community that most users now prefer.Thanks for the writeup … there should be some kind of news service for stuff like this. Everyone notices weird changes on lemmy but not everyone is in tune to every detail, every personality, every major user or mod, every instance, every community and everything they’re doing.
All I saw were the changes and activities but I had no clue who, what, where or why … which meant you didn’t know who supports what or for what reason.
I was watching that community over the past day or two and didn’t see any news about any of this until now … things were happening on Lemmy, lots of new posts from 196 everywhere and noise about a controversy there and no info for those who don’t know until this post was made
fediverselore is good … it’s just a bit slow in the uptake
It usually waits for the dust to settle.
!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com might be more what you’re looking for
