meh just gunna use my google maps. idc about ads anymore.
All of these Big Tech companies are slimy fucks actively working to enslave humanity. There are no good guys. I puked in my mouth watching Tim Cook fawn over Trump. None of these people have a shred of decency. Fuck Apple. Fuck Google. Buy a paper map.
Better yet, help support open data initiatives like OpenStreetMaps or alternatives. No reason why maps can’t be digital without ads.
buy a paper map…no man we went away from that for a reason.
Apple has really lost its identity.
Apple Silicon is really all that seperate them.
Eh. Even mediatek chips are getting to the point where they’re enough. Chip doesn’t really matter anymore.
mediatek chips are garbage compared to qualcomm and apple. anytime i had to use a phone with a mediatek chip in it, or a chromebook, it was so bad.
I love how everyone is calling Apple users dumb here when Google has been doing the same thing for longer and both platforms let you install other map apps.
Yes, but apple has been charging double the price for their products on the basis of ‘privacy’ and ‘premiumness’
So I’m actually a moderately tech-savvy individual. Software engineer, been using Linux since Karmic Koala (of course I’ve used many other distros since then, including Gentoo for a few years and now I’m using TumbleWeed on one computer and NixOS on another). I can even figure out how a printer works, believe it or not.
I just hate this whole “only stupid people who don’t know about tech buy iPhones” rhetoric.
Samsung and Google have caught up in prices. I guess only Google is a tiny bit cheaper, Samsung is definitely right up there with Apple.
OnePlus was a good option if you wanted a cheaper flagship, but they both 1) ruined their OS and 2) went more expensive.
I actually bought an iPhone for 4 primary reasons:
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Lightning port is easier to clean out than USB-C and I get a LOT of pocket lint for some reason.
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Carplay used the entire screen in my S205 whereas Android Auto had the Android Auto logo on like 1/3 of the screen.
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Back when I did it, Apple was the only one giving 5-6 years of major OS upgrades to their old phones and OnePlus only gave me 3, lagging far behind AOSP and the whole OxygenOS to ColorOS switch RUINED the phone for me. I did use a custom ROM for a while before that, but my bank app stopped working with that regardless of whatever I did, so I switched to stock ROM and then upgraded to ColorOS and the phone became nearly unusable. It was 3 years old (the model, anyway; the phone in question was 2 years old). Every single one of my iPhone using friends said that never has a major OS upgrade inconvenienced them in any way.
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I just felt like I don’t have time to play with custom ROMs and stuff anymore and since I don’t, I might as well go with the option that works great out of the box, rather than the one that I can infinitely customize to my liking.
Now, this whole issue: It’s not actually using user data AFAIK, so there are no privacy implications in this specific instance IMO. They just allow companies to pay to show up near the top in Maps. Not a move I’m a fan of, but I’m assuming Google has been doing this for a decade or 2 at least.
Does that mean I trust Apple? Fuck no. They’re still a for-profit corporation. They still want to make as much profit as possible.
Yeah, I’m an old software engineer who uses linux on all of my actual computers, but I still have an old iphone for doing phone shit.
In the real world, most outspoken anti-apple people aren’t super techy and use some nightmare of corporate bloat phone they bought at the Verizon store.
Here on Lemmy though, you have a WAY higher proportion of people who are running devices they actually control.
You aren’t crazy. I’ve switched back and forth and currently have an iPhone, but currently primarily use a Thinkpad with a nice minimal Sway-based Alpine Linux desktop and a handful of Debian and 'BSDs kicking around on various machines. There are dozens of us!
Apple phones eeks out current Google options for privacy, security, minimalism, and service life, IMHO, but barely, and other people will argue the other way - I don’t care. When there is a legit Linux phone option, I’ll probably move then. I just try to use a phone as little as possible in my interaction with technology.
I don’t actually regard them as a healthy form-factor for technology. A keyboard and 14’ screen is more conducive to creating things or fulsomeness discussion in written form. Depending on the content, they are better for consuming text content (though eReaders are better for some content), and for multi-media consumption, large screens like TVs are better for the eyes.
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I don’t think Apple is “premium” since 5-10 years. Google pixel and Samsung galaxy series caught up
And bypassed. For the price of a Galaxy Fold you can buy an iPhone AND an iPad or even MacBook.
As an iPhone owner and former pixel owner, pixels are more premium, cost less, work better, but depreciate faster. I look forward to the day I replace this with a pixel.
remember when apple didn’t have ads because they were premium?
Is CoMaps the only alternative besides google maps?
CoMaps is a nice offline alternitive. Not perfect,but it respects privacy
to be clear this isn’t a privacy issue. they are allowing companies to pay to be featured more prominently in the app.
Sure, but one can argue that data is being exchanged for ads.
Regardless, CoMaps is still a solid offline app that is being worked on. I wish we had a better version of Google or Apple maps without the bloat
Might give it a spin, currently using Organic Maps.
It already has ads. Those businesses it highlights for no reason at all when you’re scrolling around.
yeah google doing this made me stop using it as much. still need to find a permanent alternative
I’m still using Google for looking up places but I stopped using it for car navigation because holy shit it sucks ass. Using waze now and it’s so much better. No idea of they’re FOSS tho
Waze is owned by Google. They bought it in 2014 (someone please correct the year, if I’m wrong). It’s not FOSS.
Waze was amazing. Sadly, a lot of features have been removed over the years, in an attempt to shift people from Waze to Google Maps. Waze in 2016 was better than the current version.
It really sucks that they were bought out by Google because for some reason waze’s navigation is 1000x better than gmaps, even tho they’re apparently from the same parent company
The next headline will read, OpenStreetMaps gains users as Apple adds ads to maps.
After that, Apple would ban OSM apps from their store.
I wish it were good enough to be a viable alternative but it really isn’t.
If it’s missing data (such as locations) that is the issue, then you can update the map yourself and help others migrate at the same time. Every little bit helps, even if you don’t plan on fully moving over. I’ve done over a thousand changes to my local area and it’s actually more accurate than Google Maps in a lot of the commercial areas. You don’t have to do a thousand things though, like I said, every little bit helps.
Of course, it doesn’t help for outside of your area if you only do changes locally, but if enough people were willing to update the map, things could change.
Adding onto that, the app StreetComplete makes contributing stupidly easy. You basically get a bunch of quests generatef around you with missing or potentially outdated data that you can fill in by answering simple questions. Basically Pokemon Go, but infinitely more useful.
Be realistic, not many people using apple devices (or any mobile devices tbh) are going to care or be intelligent enough to pull an open source alternative
“People using devices I don’t like are stupid” is among the dumbest of takes.
Apple deliberately markets to those who willing to trade their virtual freedoms for a pseudo-luxury brand (with enough QC defects to kickstart Louis Rossmann’s career), a UI filled with (buggy) eye candy, “social status” (Blue bubbles) and “convenience” in the form of never having the option of installing software outside their walled garden.
With the exception of those who work at the company and are mandated to have a device, and those who use iOS for certain apps exclusive to the platform required for their employment, they are the technologically inept. Manuals scare them, a terminal prompt would make them jump up and call IT over right away. Installing an application manually is “scary”. If something went wrong with the hardware, they would throw away the device rather than fix it (thanks to Apple). Trying to explain to the the consequences of their choices is a fool’s errand.
They are the marketable, eager cult members for Apple to puppet on virtual strings. The only thing that surprises me is that they haven’t enshittified with ads sooner. I guess that impacts their “luxury” brand image.
The dumbest of takes indeed.
I am a software engineer with literally decades of experience, I was self hosting websites on personal Linux boxes via dynamic dns before it was cool, and I basically live in my terminal. I’m a proud NixOS user and I spend about as much time shelled in over SSH as I do not.
I use an iPhone because it’s a fucking phone, I use it to browse the web and make calls. I just need it to stay out of my way and not crash.
Maybe deciding that which phone someone uses needs to be a core part of their identity is the actual problem.
So you’re saying you’re fine with the required Apple account, advertising, and data collection? That’s not getting in your way?
Being unable to use a browser that isn’t webkit/safari isn’t problematic?
Would you care to enlighten us fools on what phone and OS you use and how we can be as great as you?
I took a few hours to think before I messaged here again so I don’t ragepost, sorry.
Yes, my statement was full of vitriol - fueled from negative experiences assisting IT clients, family members, and colleagues who were too stubborn to realize the limitations of Apple’s ecosystem. I understand people who already have an iPhone either as a gift or a prior purchase, but it’s the refusal to do research or to realize that Apple’s screwing them that grinds my gears.
Personally, I use GrapheneOS, on a Pixel 9, but I am well aware that can’t be a solution for everyone (especially until the Graphene team manage to finish working with that Android OEM for more hardware support), so my best advice is to just to research about what device you are using. Ideally, it should have an unlocked bootloader, a transparent support timeline, and something like PostmarketOS support if you’re buying used.
None of those will ever be options on Apple’s ecosystem, and history shows their ecosystem enshittification is both inevitable, and accelerating. So please, just avoid them (and I guess Samsung as the worst Android-based offender) as much as possible.
