I think Lemmy has a problem with history in general, since most people on here have degrees/training in STEM. I see a lot of inaccurate “pop history” shared on here, and a lack of understanding of historiography/how historians analyze primary sources.
The rejection of Jesus’s historicity seems to be accepting C S Lewis’s argument - that if he existed, he was a “lunatic, liar, or lord,” instead of realizing that there was nothing unusual about a messianic Jewish troublemaker in Judea during the early Roman Empire.
Because of the destruction of the Temple and the Judean rebellion there were probably a lot of messianic figures.
Jesus is just the one who achieved the necessary memetic virulence to be remembered.
Saul/Paul definitely helped this.
ETA: Also, stories attributed to Jesus may have happened to other messianic preachers.
I read this as “Sean Paul” and now my mind won’t stop with “so me go so”
The entire myth was also borrowed from Zoroastrianism, but let’s just pretend that never happened I guess
Christianity is like English in that it will appropriate and assimilate words/ideas that help it survive
I mean, I guess… But they stole like, the entire fucking thing from an existing religion. Christianity would not exist without the parts they took from Zoroastrianism.
Didn’t they rip off a lot of Hinduism too?
Uh… how?
The Zoroastrian “borrowing” is more along the lines of there’s a perfect good force versus a perfect evil force.
But I don’t know how there would be any Hinduism influence. There’s lot of Greek influence, but India was really far away.
This is far from the only thing. They also had the concept that everyone has free will to choose between good and evil. I believe they also had a concept of final judgement and heaven/hell (or an analogue).
All the similarities to Krishna.
What similarities to Krishna? Please give me some examples, and a plausible explanation of how those ideas would have crossed the continent?
Jesus coming to earth as a human was possibly borrowed from Krishna, who I believe came to earth as an “avatar”.
I think there are other similarities between Jesus and Krishna.
They did not steal anything. It’s such a weird take to be out here applying 20th century notions of Intellectual Property to mythology from 2000 years ago. If you approach old world cultures and memetic ecology with reddit catchphrases, you’re just gonna rot your brain. Not worth it.
See “the Egyptian” and Simon bar Kokhba..
It makes sense - I mean, Pompey literally went into the Holy of Holies and didn’t die. It must have felt as if there was something cosmically wrong.
Yup